Greg,

It could be you are getting more under the ball with less bounce, I doubt it.

The bounce doesn't have a direct effect on trajectory, it is the center of gravity, the lower cg = higher trajectory.

If you read about the newer clubs, V grooves made since 2010, they were made to have a higher trajectory to help stop the ball on the green because they have less spin.

I have cc 48.06  54.14  58.12 and they really hit the ball high.

This does make distance control quite a bit harder and near impossible in the wind.

Thanks for the responses guys. I only ask because I remember reading here or hearing on TV coverage last year that Voke changed the bounce on Rory's wedges and he got back to the ball flight and distance that he was looking for with the new grooves. So I am trying to dial in my wedges to give me the flight that I am looking for. And I am wondering if I got the the wrong bounce.

Thanks Again!

- Greg

Ryan

Wouldn't it be, if using the exact same swing, then you would hit the ball in the same place on the clubface?

So since you are hitting the same place on the clubface, exact same swing, what would the effect of bounce be?

The more bounce, the less the club will dig. The less bounce, the more the club will dig. Hence if you tend to take a divot then take less bounce and vice versa.

Ryan

Are you saying you can't hit a low bounce club the same as a high bounce club?

The bounce wouldn't be getting in the way.

Ryan

"Launch conditions would be different assuming the same is exactly, robot-like, the same."

I don't understand what you said.

So you put a high bounce wedge on a robot, you fix it to make solid contact, ball first.

Now you take a low bounce wedge, same loft, have the robot make contact on the same spot on the face.

Which is going to launch higher?

Ryan

Why would lower bounce, when hit in the same spot on the face with a robot swing, hit higher than the high bounce?

It seems, since the high bounce has more mass under the impact spot, thus a lower center of gravity, the higher bounce would launch the ball higher.

Ryan it appears that you are going to run this around in circles, you are back to saying that you cannot hit a low bounce wedge the same as a high bounce wedge because of the bounce, which is absolutely wrong.

It is true that a high bounce wedge is limited because of the bounce, but a low bounce wedge is not required to slide under the ball lower than the high bounce wedge. You can hit a low bounce wedge the same as a high bounce wedge.

For more information, I'll defer to the Tour Reps:

http://www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/b/tourblog/archive/2011/04/29/equipment-updates-from-the-nationwide-tour-van-south-georgia-classic.aspx

I thought you wanted to let it go as we agree to disagree, but I guess not.

Yes, if you set the club on the ground the leading edge will be higher with a high bounce wedge.........but like I keep trying to tell you, you don't have to set the club on the ground, you can have a low bounce wedge strike the ball exactly the same as a high bounce wedge as long as you are hitting the ball first.

Lets say that the difference of vertical distance from the leading edge to the bottom of the sole between a high bounce and a low bounce wedge is 4mm.

If I set the 2 wedges on the ground then the high bounce wedge face is 4mm higher than the low bounce wedge face.........but like I keep telling you, you don't have to set the clubs on the ground. So if you hover the clubs with the face at the same place in relation to the ball, then the faces will be in the same place but the sole of the high bounce wedge will be 4mm closer to the ground.......but the faces will be in the exact same spot. Now you swing both clubs exactly the same, they will hit the ball in exactly the same place on the face.

Like I keep telling you, but you keep thinking you have to put the sole of the club on the ground, every shot you can do with a high bounce wedge, that requires hitting the ball first, you can do exactly the same with a low bounce wedge...........it is true that there are shots that require hitting the ball first, that I can do with a low bounce wedge that I cannot do with a high bounce wedge. But these shots I don't need, thats why I use the same 58.12 in the article, I will never need to do more of lob than what I can do with it. Plus the 58.12 has the 962 grind(Vokey calls it M grind) so it CAN, but not REQUIRED, be hit higher on the face than a standard grind like my 54.14.

Warren

Please explain the physics that says a low bounce club must hit the ground.

I do understand the physics that limits how low a high bounce club can go, but I don't understand the restriction you are putting on a low bounce club.......the bounce does not have to touch the ground........therefore you can hit a low bounce wedge exactly the same as a high bounce wedge as long as you are hitting the ball first..........notice I did not say you could hit a high bounce wedge exactly the same as a low bounce wedge, that is because the high bounce wedge is restricted and the low bounce wedge is not.

Greg, I think you and the others are overlooking one of the most important changes from your SM58.06 and the new SM4.....the grooves. While the SM4 is the best "new/conforming" groove available, that would seem to be the thing that stands out to me..just a thought. Carl

A way of flighting the ball lower with your wedge (or any club) is to put it in the front of your stance and let your hands lead. It takes some practice, but it's a shot in your bag not everyone has. You will have enough spin to keep it to hold on the green, and it can cheat the wind.

-Nunzio